My guest, Pastor Bill Keller, argues that violently attacking someone because of their race, creed, or sexual orientation is a threat to freedom of speech!
I then discussed this show for an additional hour on the Kincaid Show here: ..
Thanks for your comment, Robert! I’ll share it with Bob.
To answer your question: sure, a hate crime can be committed in prison.
Robt May 13, 2009 2:36 am
I just finished listening to this on podcast. I have to say Mark, you gave more respect than you recieved hear by the (achem) Pastor.
You over extended the open hand of reason. Only for him to responded like scratching a pioson ivy rash in his groin.
For the most, the pastor could only repeat his rehearsed and standard opposition. There was no thought process in his retorts.
His reference and authority he feels is from an invisible superior being that only he knows and only he can pass on its demands. He is the keeper of the map to get to God.
You did well in drawing him out and making him feel comfortably bold to display his extreme views that causes him to hate Americans (people) that do not prescribe or succumb to his doctrine of narrow, brittle hate of others.
Please tell Bob Kincaid,
I listen on podcast for the most while at work. I load truck in a wharehouse. I was just preparing to load out of dock 17 when Bob came on and began opposing the (achem) Pastor. It had my attention so much so that I loaded half the truck by the time the show ended. Only one thing, I loaded door 18 half way instead of 17. I caught it and moved the load in its rightful truck. But I was laughing so hard that the (achem) Pastor was feeling as if he was being persecuted. “””
Persecuted to the point of hate speech that he easily up-chucks on everyone that eill listen. Just consier if he was actually plagued by “hate crimes” ?
Terrorism is in fact the ultimate hate crime. 9/11 was a terrorist act and most of our nation was so terrorized that they sucumbed to a unity sichophant president and Darth Vader. Torture, perpetual war, war of choice, lied to invade as country that did not attack us and was no real threat to America, having a color code threat alarm on TV that went up every time John Kerry’s poll number went up over Bush’s during an election. Burning every asset and treasure this country possessed in the clounds of war.
All in the name of keeping you safe!
I do have one question on hate crimes.
mark,
Can a hate crime be committed in prison?
Robt May 7, 2009 12:53 am
There are those that have said hate Crimes Legislation is wrong because one would be judging thought. “Thought Crimes”?
I would tend to say, (And mark understanding law better than I would know) that there are levels of murder prosecution.
-Manslaughter.
-Premeditated murder.
To get murder one with a death penalty the prosecution must convict on the ability to convince a jury what the murdering accused was thinking.
That it was planned and carried out vs someone that might in the heat of a momment become unrestrained by rage and kill.
Justice must know what thought is in the murdering accused mind to judge and convict.
So (analogy)if a KKK burns a cross on the lawn of an Afro American. The KKK is in act of a Hate Crime because it isn’t just about the individual they attack but of those of that race.
The Wyoming boys that sought out the gay man in a bar and misled him to believe they were gay that they could entrust him and lead him out of the bar to an undisclosed location. That the planned with intent once they took him to a local were they planned to kill him and followed through with it. As the two men found guilty actually confessed to. This is not just about the one gay man, but of anyone gay.
And be advised. Republicans that say pedophiles will be protected as well. Are trying to link the gay and pedophile. Pediphile is listed as an mental illness and the gay is not. As so I hear.
What good does hate crime legislation do if America cannot hold accountable those that break the law and international laws America signed (as the Geneva Convention) When it comes to America torturing as a policy?
Annette Welch May 6, 2009 8:16 pm
Mark,
I had the opportunity to listen to Pastor Kelly make his argument on hate crimes legislation but sadly, as a pastor and someone who represents Christianity, he made wonder what book he instructs his parishioners from in the ways of Jesus Christ. He not only broke a few of the Ten Commandments but damned his immortal soul in less than an hour and then ran away from an argument that he was solidly in support of.
If I weren’t solidly rooted in my spirituality and in pursuit of something beyond this world he would have made me think that brutality, ignorance, and injustice was a good thing and that people were not all equal. I think one of the most important factors in I see in this is someone of his caliber complaining about the natural laws of human nature rather than trying to find solutions for poverty, pestilence, or murder and instead he falls back to manmade laws while trying to invoke God in his arguments. Not a logical or persuasive argument at all. This isn’t my idea of what the gospels of St. Matthew wrote as follows,
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
I would suggest that it might behoove you to look into the eyes of the people you judge and know them as human beings rather than some, and this is Pastor Kelly’s own quote, “perversionâ€. As far as I’m concerned if this is what would be in heaven then I’ll gladly serve in hell with the rest of the crowd.
Thank you Mark for this most insightful interview with a man who has the public eye but whom evidently has no soul.
Annette
Mark May 13, 2009 1:07 pm
Thanks for your comment, Robert! I’ll share it with Bob.
To answer your question: sure, a hate crime can be committed in prison.
Robt May 13, 2009 2:36 am
I just finished listening to this on podcast. I have to say Mark, you gave more respect than you recieved hear by the (achem) Pastor.
You over extended the open hand of reason. Only for him to responded like scratching a pioson ivy rash in his groin.
For the most, the pastor could only repeat his rehearsed and standard opposition. There was no thought process in his retorts.
His reference and authority he feels is from an invisible superior being that only he knows and only he can pass on its demands. He is the keeper of the map to get to God.
You did well in drawing him out and making him feel comfortably bold to display his extreme views that causes him to hate Americans (people) that do not prescribe or succumb to his doctrine of narrow, brittle hate of others.
Please tell Bob Kincaid,
I listen on podcast for the most while at work. I load truck in a wharehouse. I was just preparing to load out of dock 17 when Bob came on and began opposing the (achem) Pastor. It had my attention so much so that I loaded half the truck by the time the show ended. Only one thing, I loaded door 18 half way instead of 17. I caught it and moved the load in its rightful truck. But I was laughing so hard that the (achem) Pastor was feeling as if he was being persecuted. “””
Persecuted to the point of hate speech that he easily up-chucks on everyone that eill listen. Just consier if he was actually plagued by “hate crimes” ?
Terrorism is in fact the ultimate hate crime. 9/11 was a terrorist act and most of our nation was so terrorized that they sucumbed to a unity sichophant president and Darth Vader. Torture, perpetual war, war of choice, lied to invade as country that did not attack us and was no real threat to America, having a color code threat alarm on TV that went up every time John Kerry’s poll number went up over Bush’s during an election. Burning every asset and treasure this country possessed in the clounds of war.
All in the name of keeping you safe!
I do have one question on hate crimes.
mark,
Can a hate crime be committed in prison?
Robt May 7, 2009 12:53 am
There are those that have said hate Crimes Legislation is wrong because one would be judging thought. “Thought Crimes”?
I would tend to say, (And mark understanding law better than I would know) that there are levels of murder prosecution.
-Manslaughter.
-Premeditated murder.
To get murder one with a death penalty the prosecution must convict on the ability to convince a jury what the murdering accused was thinking.
That it was planned and carried out vs someone that might in the heat of a momment become unrestrained by rage and kill.
Justice must know what thought is in the murdering accused mind to judge and convict.
So (analogy)if a KKK burns a cross on the lawn of an Afro American. The KKK is in act of a Hate Crime because it isn’t just about the individual they attack but of those of that race.
The Wyoming boys that sought out the gay man in a bar and misled him to believe they were gay that they could entrust him and lead him out of the bar to an undisclosed location. That the planned with intent once they took him to a local were they planned to kill him and followed through with it. As the two men found guilty actually confessed to. This is not just about the one gay man, but of anyone gay.
And be advised. Republicans that say pedophiles will be protected as well. Are trying to link the gay and pedophile. Pediphile is listed as an mental illness and the gay is not. As so I hear.
What good does hate crime legislation do if America cannot hold accountable those that break the law and international laws America signed (as the Geneva Convention) When it comes to America torturing as a policy?
Annette Welch May 6, 2009 8:16 pm
Mark,
I had the opportunity to listen to Pastor Kelly make his argument on hate crimes legislation but sadly, as a pastor and someone who represents Christianity, he made wonder what book he instructs his parishioners from in the ways of Jesus Christ. He not only broke a few of the Ten Commandments but damned his immortal soul in less than an hour and then ran away from an argument that he was solidly in support of.
If I weren’t solidly rooted in my spirituality and in pursuit of something beyond this world he would have made me think that brutality, ignorance, and injustice was a good thing and that people were not all equal. I think one of the most important factors in I see in this is someone of his caliber complaining about the natural laws of human nature rather than trying to find solutions for poverty, pestilence, or murder and instead he falls back to manmade laws while trying to invoke God in his arguments. Not a logical or persuasive argument at all. This isn’t my idea of what the gospels of St. Matthew wrote as follows,
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
I would suggest that it might behoove you to look into the eyes of the people you judge and know them as human beings rather than some, and this is Pastor Kelly’s own quote, “perversionâ€. As far as I’m concerned if this is what would be in heaven then I’ll gladly serve in hell with the rest of the crowd.
Thank you Mark for this most insightful interview with a man who has the public eye but whom evidently has no soul.
Annette