Well actually no I did not get my references from the site you mentioned primtv1 – I did refer Skip to http://www.Abort73.com…some of my info came from there and some from Jill Stanek’s site – http://www.jillstanek.com and some is just pretty basic information.
I don’t see what your point is and how did you counter the scientific statements that I gave you by assuming I got my facts from one site or another? You confuse me.
theprimtv1 January 22, 2006 9:33 pm
Vicky reply to me above;
“That’s the 2nd time in the few posts you’ve made here this evening that accuses me of “religious” bias nonsense – I never mentioned the “G” word, religion – none of it.
Yet your references suggest nothing but that they are religiously radical prejudicies. Just by the source in which you use!
Vicky-An American Mother January 22, 2006 9:31 pm
primtv1 – In a post above you wrote: “yet you put so much money and protest into, that which does not have memory, does not breath air, that who has not spoken, that which has not touched the hand of another, that which could be subjected to pain you can not imagine if it was part of the human race, in your fight for “that”/”Embryo”.
As a woman, I have conceived and carried a child…so do not tell me that my son did not have memory…the unborn can hear and they do remember their mother’s voices when they are in utero. That’s a known fact. Mothers have been known to play a particular style of music over and over during their pregnancy…babies respond to this music – in utero and once they are born…they recognize it because it is familiar to them.
Do not tell me my son did not “speak” to me – surely you know that language entails more than just words.
Do not tell me that his hand did not touch the hand of another…did you ever experience the movement of your own child moving inside of you…the communication that is possible with the baby in utero is fascinating.
Do not tell me that the unborn do not feel pain…tons of SCIENTIFIC evidence verifying that they do. If a Dr. goes in to do in utero surgery they automatically use anesthesia but when doing abortions on the same age they think that somehow the pain sensors know to shut down?
Uh, no. And…for babies born early, they are isolated from touch because their little bodies are so very tender that they can’t even bear to be stroked gently by a loving and caring family member and yet a Dr can invade that mother’s womb and rip her baby apart – dismembering them and then sucking them out and that baby feels no pain?
primtv1 – Could you please make some suggestions on what you think are ways to help the children already outside of the womb? What are some of the things you do? (You didn’t answer my challenge to you….will you donate a gift of money to a pro-life organization in exchange for me tripling that amount to a “pro-child” organization?) Also, I would like to know what makes you think I don’t do anything to help the children who are already here on this earth?
Let me make another thing clear to you ….I don’t “fear” the end…I don’t fear you and you most certainly are not my judge.
theprimtv1 January 22, 2006 9:17 pm
If you go to the site previously posted you can find the very printed quote by E.L. Potter, MD andJ.M. Craig, M.D. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. 3rd, also Bradley M. Patten, M.D. Foundations of Embryology and J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics.
This is all Eternal Word Television Network
found here; http://www.ewtn.com/
The Mother
by Gwendolyn Brooks
Abortions will not let you forget.
You remember the children you got that you did not get,
The damp small pulps with a little or with no hair,
The si... More >>
Vicky January 22, 2006 9:37 pm
Well actually no I did not get my references from the site you mentioned primtv1 – I did refer Skip to http://www.Abort73.com…some of my info came from there and some from Jill Stanek’s site – http://www.jillstanek.com and some is just pretty basic information.
I don’t see what your point is and how did you counter the scientific statements that I gave you by assuming I got my facts from one site or another? You confuse me.
theprimtv1 January 22, 2006 9:33 pm
Vicky reply to me above;
“That’s the 2nd time in the few posts you’ve made here this evening that accuses me of “religious” bias nonsense – I never mentioned the “G” word, religion – none of it.
Yet your references suggest nothing but that they are religiously radical prejudicies. Just by the source in which you use!
Vicky-An American Mother January 22, 2006 9:31 pm
primtv1 – In a post above you wrote: “yet you put so much money and protest into, that which does not have memory, does not breath air, that who has not spoken, that which has not touched the hand of another, that which could be subjected to pain you can not imagine if it was part of the human race, in your fight for “that”/”Embryo”.
As a woman, I have conceived and carried a child…so do not tell me that my son did not have memory…the unborn can hear and they do remember their mother’s voices when they are in utero. That’s a known fact. Mothers have been known to play a particular style of music over and over during their pregnancy…babies respond to this music – in utero and once they are born…they recognize it because it is familiar to them.
Do not tell me my son did not “speak” to me – surely you know that language entails more than just words.
Do not tell me that his hand did not touch the hand of another…did you ever experience the movement of your own child moving inside of you…the communication that is possible with the baby in utero is fascinating.
Do not tell me that the unborn do not feel pain…tons of SCIENTIFIC evidence verifying that they do. If a Dr. goes in to do in utero surgery they automatically use anesthesia but when doing abortions on the same age they think that somehow the pain sensors know to shut down?
Uh, no. And…for babies born early, they are isolated from touch because their little bodies are so very tender that they can’t even bear to be stroked gently by a loving and caring family member and yet a Dr can invade that mother’s womb and rip her baby apart – dismembering them and then sucking them out and that baby feels no pain?
primtv1 – Could you please make some suggestions on what you think are ways to help the children already outside of the womb? What are some of the things you do? (You didn’t answer my challenge to you….will you donate a gift of money to a pro-life organization in exchange for me tripling that amount to a “pro-child” organization?) Also, I would like to know what makes you think I don’t do anything to help the children who are already here on this earth?
Let me make another thing clear to you ….I don’t “fear” the end…I don’t fear you and you most certainly are not my judge.
theprimtv1 January 22, 2006 9:17 pm
If you go to the site previously posted you can find the very printed quote by E.L. Potter, MD andJ.M. Craig, M.D. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. 3rd, also Bradley M. Patten, M.D. Foundations of Embryology and J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics.
This is all Eternal Word Television Network
found here; http://www.ewtn.com/
theprimtv1 January 22, 2006 9:11 pm
I have found most of the reference by Vicky to come from this site:http://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLENC/ENCYC069.HTM
titled;
CHAPTER 69 — THE PREBORN AS LIVING BEINGS
American Life League