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“Mark and Mike” on L.A. Teachers and the Arizona Law

June 10, 2010

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  • JOE June 19, 2010 11:17 am

    actually i only read the reply above,i assumed that was the same. We have to be as collectively intelligent on air, on FOX, as i know we are.(liberal america). Undeniable facts are our strong point, yet we’ve gotten away from those convictions that have provided us with the solid ground we hail on. Something we seem to be getting away from since some power in government has been reclaimed. In other words, let’s play in our ball park, and not theirs. And in order to do this we count on men like mark levine. Thanks for your duty. We all must admit if we;re wrong, gloat with taste and class when we’re right. Let’s make this country and the world a better place, like only WE know how!

  • Mark June 18, 2010 8:07 am

    Did I say that on air? I didn’t.

    I said a teacher has free speech outside the classroom on his/her own time and even THAT can go too far (as it did in the case of the teacher calling for revolution). Did you even watch the clip?

  • JOE June 16, 2010 2:58 pm

    You as an individual, have a right to your own free speech. But as a teacher you’re paid to educate on events and undeniable facts about history. Not what you think is wrong about those facts. To say a teacher has a right to his/her free speech and this applies also in the classroom as part of a lesson plan, is no more right than hitler was in his matter of fact manner of speech when commenting on the jews in any in his book “my struggle”. Come on mark it’s sometimes embarrassing to call myself a liberal when we are so blatantly wrong like you are on this, let alone on fox?!!!!

  • Mark Levine June 10, 2010 3:31 pm

    I agree with you, Martha. That’s what good teachers do in the classroom.

    Outside the classroom, teachers and students generally have free speech rights. That’s not a question of good teaching; it’s a question of law. But if a teacher goes way too far (as the teacher in the clip did, with racist and incendiary speech about “revolution”), that teacher can and should be fired.

    The question is whether Mike supports equivalent treatment and a single standard for teachers like those on Texas who do the same thing (for conservatives) as these teachers did here. The Texas teachers, as I’m sure you know, do more than express political opinion; they deny scientific fact.

    I’m sure, Martha, that both you and I can agree that good teachers leave their political views outside the classroom. I do think it’s important to study Jim Crow laws and other parts of America’s racist history. But it should be up to the students, not the teachers, to decide whether there are parallels or not.

    Teach the controversy.

  • Martha Branum June 10, 2010 1:51 pm

    I taught Social Studies for 22 years at the high school level. One of the best compliments I ever got was when a student said to me, “I can’t figure out if you are liberal or conservative, democrat or republican. You always present both sides of the issue and then expect us to think, gather facts and make a good decision.” That’s what teachers are suppose to do. Give tools for thinking and making decisions, not imposing their views on students.