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The Raucous Caucus on the Battle in Wisconsin to Destroy Unions

March 1, 2011

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  • Robt March 21, 2011 7:50 pm

    So are you now admitting Gov Walker knew the Koch Brothers and had ties to them or not??????
    That was your question that I responded to.
    NOT any of the other side dishs you threw in.
    I specifically addressed your question,
    “Where do you have any proof of his connections with the Koch Bro’s? Anything? Just Daily Kos rants? Proof? Thought not.”,,
    You so elegantly challenged me to respond with your complete unbiased and respectful approach, I was compelled to answer.
    From that political unbiased outlook you have continually attempted (poorly)to convince me your from. You told me adamantly several times you get your news from different sources. I contend you merely go to different news sources to justify your original pre judged outlook. As watching that “libera liar Cooper on CNN to enforce your prejudged FOX portrayed paonting of him. Cooper must have had you so enraged, lying about the BP oil spill, eh?
    Can you point out in an unbiased manner some clear fudging of the facts from FOX. Facts on a subject that matters?
    And descibe why they would do that”
    How you go to President Obama over this phone call,then Stray To “CREW”, ( no matter liberal or not CREW has investigated Dems and Repubs alike, check their records)is a nice try at diversion.
    Because it doesn’t matter to me if a person has conservative leaning and investigates a Dem or the other way around. It matters why they investigate and what.
    Your idea of the ACLU has been tarnished by a political bias as well. I will not tell you I agree with al AClU involvments on everthing but the majoityty, probably. Do you know what the pupose of the AClU is?
    Your response to the question I responded (of yours) to is a definate sign that when you get confronted with some opposition you get angry in such argument, you seem to drop down to “hating Obama” for something, Nancy Pelosi, or any other Democratic member that FOX and the right demonize daily for their sole politcal gain which may or may not be mine or your betterment.
    To give you an idea of where I come from, I do not see very much that the Austrailian Billionaire Rupert Murdoch and I would have in common on how this American democtacy would and should operate. His views of what America should be, is not mine. I can tell you every American president had some American intentions for the good. Including Reagan and Clinton.
    You have made it clear in the Question itself, everything liberal is bad, in your response everything liberal is a lie.
    Example of your bias,
    “Melanie Sloan Executive Director, has worked for Conyers, Schumer and Joe Biden, and is as Liberal as you can get, so any thing she does would be liberal bias.” Yoour words and outlook.
    I have watcheed FOX slime CREW, but only when they have a conservative in their investigative sights. NOt when CREW investigates Dems.
    You stated in an earlier post (above) as some sort of retaliation for pointing out wrong doings from the republican party member(s). You have out right told me to “STOP pointing out republican wrong doings.”
    Because it hurts?
    Does it cause you to question your loyalty to the GOP?
    I do it because you have taken every opportunity to defend the GOP world view, FOX’s world VIEW in which every Dem gets lambasted and every republican in praised.
    That my friend does not make me liberal. But if you self evaluated, may find partisanship loyalty a larger part of your foundation than you care to openly admit.
    GOP covering, defendeing, ignoring republican short comings, failed world views etc does not equate into Dems have all the answers, are pure and have our best interests at heart.
    Yet when you do that math, that is how you calculate it.
    Liberal minded Americans have contriibuted greatly in many ways to this country and so has conservative minded Americans.
    Do you agree or disagree?
    Have NO idea how you came to such a polorized position and view of politicains and low opinion Americans in general.
    Sir, You did infact demonize teachers to promote Walkers agenda. The need to demonize a political foe to have your way with NO opposition to consider any of the circumstances is definately dictatorial. You seem to appreciate that strong forceful GOP Daddy knows everything so everyone should shut up and do as told and not as I do mentality.
    I don’t think you can show me instances of republicans getting lambasted for wrong doings? You might be able to show republicans getting softly questioned for not being as hard right as they want them to be , perhaps a snafu made (that is excusable)but that is it. It is like talking to loyal Conservatives that actually “Idolize” Ronald Reagan, that Ronald was so perfect. To this day I get young republicans that were not even of teenage years get angry when you tell them Ronald cut and run from Lebanon. They deny it to this day. Ronny never backed down deom anything. Even GOP’ers that were old enough deny it.
    I see that as a problem. You see it as a liberal attack on a republican GOD and tell me that doesn’t mtter because it is in the past but go on to try to admonish me as a liberal Dem defender by going back in time and telling me Clinton had an affair and lied to a court (he had no legal reason to be in front of, Which Newt Gingrich had no reason to be in front of and did not have to).
    Yes, I do point out republicans and you will not recognize any of their failings because to only recognize Democratic members and their failures gives you the bias stance that FOX News has perpetrated on you from their daily entertaining GOP slant messaging.
    Not only in my humble opinon, not only in your stressed arguments, but also in your reluctance when provided with a clear response to your sisngle question that Gov Walker had NO ties to Koch Brothers and it is not provable
    (in your every account) Walker was aware of the Koch brothers is obvious that you were told by FOX or someone somewhere that is what it is and you are not going to beleive otherwise.
    So I recognize the space you stand and how difficult it may be for you to admit the evidence that there are ties from even before the Wisconson Governors election between the Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers funded “Americans for Prosperity” right down to Tim Phillips and the Koch funded Heritage Foundation chap that Walker hired to his Cabinate.
    Is it illegal” Not if done legally. It is a matter of knowing who is buying our candidates and what they expect in return? Dem and Repub candidates.
    Here is one more point you made (from an above post) where you defend Walker’s questionable idea of ehtics in action. You respond with,
    “Has any Democrat ever done anything close to the same? Then what’s your point?”
    ***Why is your defense of anything GOP always in terms of, Dems do it”?
    Your saying when Dems do wrongful, illegal things it makes it OK for Republs to do the same?
    This is your political party motto?
    How does that make America any better?
    You go on to submit to me your example of a Democratic member who finds himself in questioable ethics of wrong doing.
    Your Dem example;
    “A state lawmaker who was ticketed in connection with a massage parlor sting has pleaded no contest. State Representative Gordon Hintz (D-Oshkosh) will pay a fine of just over $2,000 for offering to have sexual contact for compensation at the Heavenly Touch Massage Parlor in Appleton.
    Hintz was cited February 10th, after he was caught in an undercover police sting at the business. The Oshkosh Democrat entered a plea of no contest Wednesday in Outagamie County court.
    In a statement released after news of the citation went public, Hintz apologized for making a bad decision and said he’s willing to take responsibility for his actions.”
    ***My response to this is that he should be subjected to every extent of the law he is in violation of, I don’t feel he could represent others when he can’t take care of himself. My opinion would be he should step down and pay his debt to society under the law.
    That sound like liberal partisanship to you?
    Now I return a prior question to you over Sen David Vitter. Vitter was caught in the D.C. Madam prostitution ring, ciuhg tin his home state of La, with prostitutes while calling himself a “Family Values faith in God religious conservative/republican.
    He was re elected and still serves in the Senate as a Senate republican. If he was charged with sociiting prostitution and engaging the serves of prostitutes would he be able to serve as a republican senator?
    Should Vitter be able to serve in the Senate?
    And yes, Vitter voted to impeach Then President Clinton for his legal affair between two consenting adults. Soo again, another repub that can vote to impeach a President of the opposing political party while his illegal prostitute usage is OK with all the GOP, and FOX never pointed any of this out. They covered for Vitter.
    By the way,
    I take your silence on the $43K the 2nd largest single donation individually to candidate Walker by Koch Bros, is your admitance to the ties even before the election between Koch and Walker.
    I noticed you gasped at narrow slivers of the phone call transcript to respond.
    I understand………….

  • Amegill March 20, 2011 8:19 pm

    This is nothing more than a rehash of previous posts which, if you can’t find new “Facts” then quit. It was also questioned by a reporter for ABC about the 14 receiving money to help defray costs. So were they? If it is found they did what would you say to that?
    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW),
    Since when did Wisconsin become part of Washington?
    Melanie Sloan Executive Director, has worked for Conyers, Schumer and Joe Biden, and is as Liberal as you can get, so any thing she does would be liberal bias. Do you not check these things out or is it again your feelings that only your views are right?
    And as it was reprinted from
    Real Liberal Politics ~~ No Corporate Money, No Masters, Totally Bias.
    Nothing more then a bias liberal witch hunt. Much the same as the Palin “Troopergate” affair. Which she was found not guilty of. Todd was reprimanded for it.
    Robt says. Call continued;
    Walker: …I’ve got layoff notices ready…
    Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. Gotta crush that union.
    Walker did not answer!!!! So where is your “FACT” The fake caller said it. And did he not send out those layoff notices because the Dems would not return and vote?
    Robt. says
    * Why hasn’t Walker stated anything to the nature of your interpretation where Walker is not busting unions and only doing it for fiscal reasons? Where does this come up?
    If I have to show you a 4th time I would lean towards the reasoning either you can’t read or you can’t comprehend what was written..
    Robt. Says, Call Continued;
    Walker: [bragging about how he doesn’t budge]…I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly.
    Again nothing but Old news and rehash. He said he would meet with them many times and every time the 14 were interviewed they refused to return until the collective bargaining portion was removed from the bill. That’s a fact! Can you deny that they ran off so that NO business could be conducted. Can you deny that they didn’t care about any thing other then the UNIONS? They cared nothing about the economic condition of the State !
    What did Obama tell the people before the 2010 elections “ They (Republicans) can come along for the ride, but they can ride in the back of the bus”. Does that sound like anything other than dictating?
    Baseball bats? Do you want to go back in union history and check out the use of baseball bats, axe handles and such? Do you think it was childish then? Again union bullying is ok!
    So he called lawmakers he wanted to back him and was worried they might cave to union pressure. So what ? The 14 said everyday they were holding meetings to keep everybody strong. Same thing isn’t it?
    If you watch the news the term GROUND ZERO is being used for all types of things. The Japan damage, it was used before 9-11 for nuclear drop sites, Chernobyl. And even as a euphemism for some accident sites. So again you whine about things that you don’t comprehend.
    Oh and you mean like the unions did to the Tea Party Protests to shed a bad light on them. Good for 1 but not the other? Hypocrite.
    So you missed the FACT that what he said was true about the people electing the new Governors to do something different. Again lack of comprehension. He called those who are of the same mindset. Wow how amazing. He admits nothing about taking any money from anyone or that he knows the caller personally. I think it’s well known who Tim Phillips is. So he was saying he was on the ground. So what? So was Trumka bought and paid for by the democrat union protestors. And the flipping off was in videos and photos quite a few times.
    If he had done anything illegal in this phone call would not the DEMOCRATIC Attorney General not have the power to do something? So I guess you are wrong. I mean he was sure to hold the printing of the law until his cronies in the union had time to file a law suit. Was that not cronyism of the highest?
    Well you seem to think the only freedom is what you decide it is. Anyone not adhering to your rules is wrong and should be what arrested? Whipped? Maybe silenced? You feel we have to have the union. You want to believe that only those who are union members are respectable and trustworthy. No one else can do the job right. The fact that it has been proven by Wisconsin economists that the bill will save millions for the state means nothing to you. You keep making the false statement about me saying the teachers are lazy. Again you use old news which every media outlet has hashed and rehashed to prove that your point is pointless. You probably love the ruling of that Wi. Judge. She is about as stupid as a box of rocks. Or maybe because she is Democrat she might be just a little bias? The 14 Dems left the state and refused to return for more than 3 weeks, and then this Judge finds they did not have enough time to return and vote. Where the hell were they on a canoe in the Mediterranean Sea? What a load of liberal bullcrap.

  • Robt March 20, 2011 3:18 am

    Part 3
    Pause for comment;
    *Walker says, ” Bullshit about doing the right thing”. These attitude would cause me to vote Democratic.
    Do you like that sort of “I’m your abusive puff-daddy” talk?
    Did you like it when GW would say things like, We’ll get em-smoke em out, your with us or against us, Bring it on?
    does that make you feel secure in national security?
    * When Walker replies to Koch over his offer to “plant trouble makers”, and goes on to say,
    ” well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that”, Who is “WE”?
    “My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems”
    (He is only concerned with having to reconcile with protestors, not their safety and not the safety of his police Dept.)
    You see it differently?
    * ” Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting.”. Unlike FOX that actually promoted TEA Party ruckuses and TEA Party protestors relentlessly and still does today.
    *Walker agrees about “the MSNBC liberal bastards” and then tells the Koch he (Walker) went on Morning Joe (which is that liberal bastard MSNBC bastard)
    * And again, Joe Scarborough of “morning Joe” is one of them? Us against them mentality. Isn’t that how you view democrats and liberals? But Joe was fair to Walker? Because he didn’t ask him the tough questions? Joe didn’t go all lies and BS on Walker like a Hannity goes inanely ridiculous on Democrats and Liberals? Yelling and hollering and cutting off his guests mic.
    Yet Walker brags that NO one watches MSNBC, which is why he went on MSNBC to get his message out? He went on to get a message out on a network he believes no one watches, he is as smart as you have told me he is , I guess?
    * Then Walker couldn’t hold himself on subject and had to bash Sen Schumer to the Koch because Schumer was one Morning Joe after he was. Classy guy.
    Call continued;
    Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. You gotta love that Mika Brzezinski; she’s a real piece of ass.
    Walker: Oh yeah. [story about when he hung out with human pig Jim Sensenbrenner at some D.C. function and he was sitting next to Brzezinski and her father, and their guest was David Axelrod. He introduced himself.]
    Koch: That son of a bitch!
    Walker: Yeah no kidding huh?…
    Koch: Well, good; good. Good catching up with ya’.
    Pause for comment;
    * Walker is one two faced suck up, untrust worthy man. By the way he hangs out with ” he hung out with human pig Jim Sensenbrenner at some D.C. function, Want to bet that Walker didn’t call Sensenbrenner the name, “human pig” to his face?
    * How Walker introduced himself to David Axelrod, the fake Koch says, “that son of a bitch” and Walker replies, “Yeah no kidding huh”.
    Is Walker just sucking the billionaire sausage for favor or is Walker that pathetic of a human being that he is that two faced in the party of Family Values? Them aren’t; my family values that is for sure. I mean isn’t Walker a great role model for the kiddies?
    Call Continues;
    Walker: This is an exciting time [blah, blah, blah, Super Bowl reference followed by an odd story of pulling out a picture of Ronald Reagan and explaining to his staff the plan to crush the union the same way Reagan fired the air traffic controllers]…that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall because the Communists then knew Reagan wasn’t a pushover. [Blah, blah, blah. He’s exactly like Reagan. Won’t shut up about how awesome he is.]
    Pause for comment;
    * Pulling out a picture of Ronald Reagan and comparing himself with Reagan?
    * you don’t see any delusional symptoms with Walker likening himself to Reagan who fired ATC because they went on an illegal strike, where Walker is busting collective bargaining when they have already gave all concessions of the fiscal demands Walker pushed but never discussed with them.
    Walker thinks Reagan defeated the Soviets because he fired ATC workers for an illegal strike? That Walker by banning collective bargaining is somehow defeating the Soviets as well?
    *You really think the Soviet Union read news reports that Reagan fired illegal strikers and right then realized they lost the war for world dominance?
    Call Continued;
    Koch: [Laughs] Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.
    Walker: All right, that would be outstanding.
    Thanks for all the support…it’s all about getting our freedoms back…
    Koch: Absolutely. And, you know, we have a little bit of a vested interest as well. [Laughs]
    Walker: [Blah] Thanks a million!
    Koch: Bye-bye!
    Walker: Bye.
    End of call;
    * But you say Walker just wants to balance the Wis budget and it is because of Teachers collective bargaining that the state debt is over budget? The all the lazy bad teachers ran up the debt.
    * When Walker accepted that , ” fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time. “. Walker is in deep PO-Poo. That is illegal as if you got your friendly bank teller to slip you an extra $10L but not out of any account and you split it later. No, it is not embezzlement but just as bad. And you tell me walker is so smart, smart enough to stay on the phone with a prank call without catching on for 20 minutes, with someone you tell me has NO connections at all and can’t prove it
    * When these clowns use the word “Freedom” in any intent, doesn’t it it make you want to hug the Flag ?
    Can you prove to a drowning man that if he learned how to swim he might not be drowning?

  • Robt March 20, 2011 3:16 am

    Part 2
    Call Continued;
    Koch: Now who can we get to budge on this collective bargaining?
    Walker: …I think the paycheck will have an impact…secondly, one of the things we’re looking at next…we’re still waiting on an opinion to see if the unions have been paying to put these guys up out of state. We think there’s at minimum an ethics violation if not an outright felony.
    Koch: Well, they’re probably putting hobos in suits.
    Walker: Yeah.
    Koch: That’s what we do. Sometimes.
    Walker: I mean paying for the senators to be put up. I know they’re paying for these guy—I mean, people can pay for protesters to come in and that’s not an ethics code, but, I mean, literally if the unions are paying the 14 senators—their food, their lodging, anything like that,,,,,
    Pause for comment;
    * Walker is already using state and Gov’t functions as the justice system to railroad in his “wants” at almost any cost to anyone..
    Is a unitary Governor who uses Gov’t against its people to push through the agenda of billionaires you type of constitutionally
    ran Gov’t? (Note; the state Assembly republican leader is the brother of the state Senate republican leader and Walker appoints their father (another Fitzgerald) as the head of the Wis. State Troopers) Walker sends out the state troopers to the homes of the AWOL 14 (for FOX news to run those clips to give Walker some sort of favorability. Walker got his appointed Fitzgerald of the state troopers to go out and do this even though it is clearly against the State laws and state constitution to use the State Troopers in that precise fashion.
    Walker new if he appointed the Fitzgerald father as head of the state troopers, he could get the troopers to break that law and do it. The court case would go like, Walker saying he thought it was OK and the head of theTroopers saying he followed orders. That is fooling with our judicial system.
    Hey, you think the Fitzgerald appointment to head the State Troopers was done through union cronyism or by the merit and test only system you decry that unions undermine?
    *Walker “claims” to Koch that he “knows” the unions are paying the AWOL 14’s bills, he just knows? And is using the tax payers
    money to chase this claim and try to use it against his political opposition?
    * The Koch tells Walker he does the same thing Walker is claiming the unions are doing for but that is fine with Walker?
    …[*** Important regarding Walker’s acceptance of the Koch offer later in this call to, ““show him a good time.” ***]
    Call continued;
    Walker: …I’ve got layoff notices ready…
    Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. Gotta crush that union.
    pause for comment;
    * Why hasn’t Walker stated anything to the nature of your interpretation where Walker is not busting unions and only doing it for fiscal reasons? Where does this come up?
    Call Continued;
    Walker: [bragging about how he doesn’t budge]…I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly…legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum…so we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only do it if they came back to the capital with all 14 of them…
    Koch: Bring a baseball bat. That’s what I’d do.
    Walker: I have one in my office; you’d be happy with that. I have a slugger with my name on it.
    Koch: Beautiful.
    Walker: [union-bashing…]
    Koch: Beautiful.
    Pause for comment;
    * Walker explaining the Phony Koch the is talking with the AWOL 14 to work something out that is being reported in the news is not true
    and that he is actually lying and conspiring against the Democrats. That he will lie cheat and steal to have his way for “those people that are like them”. Because those others “aren’t like us”.
    * Walker, ” If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why”. Unquote.
    Is there a difference to you between dictating and governing? Omit the notion that “they do it so we do it and that makes it legal and acceptable to the citizenry.
    * Ever so subservient to please his billionaire Walker tries to impress him every step of the way as, “having his baseball bat like the phony Koch Brother Walker doesn’t know and has no ties to in “your account and assessment”.
    * So childishly macho with his baseball bat , as if Walker is really going to be man enough or abusively nutty enough to hit Democratic senators in the state senate with his bat to get his way? Big talk from little men.
    You don’t see that attitude as pathetic or do you think that is an excellent attribute for elected officials?
    Call Continued;
    Walker: So this is ground zero, there’s no doubt about it. [Talks about a “great” NYT piece of “objective journalism.” Talks about how most private blue-collar workers have turned against public, unionized workers.]…So I went through and called a handful, a dozen or so lawmakers I worry about each day and said, “Everyone, we should get that story printed out and send it to anyone giving you grief.”
    Koch: Goddamn right! We, uh, we sent, uh, Andrew Breitbart down there.
    Koch: Yeah.
    Walker: Good stuff.
    Koch: He’s our man, you know.
    Pause for comment;
    * Walker’s ground zero. he analogizes the attack by terrorist on 9/11 (ground zero) with lack of governing over Wisconsinites?
    * You notice that the liberal N.Y. Times is not liberal all of a sudden?
    * Walker thinks this is good stuff, ” we sent, uh, Andrew Breitbart down there” ( to perform anti union protests for FOX to run and show support for you (made up support that was paid for by Koch. But again, Walker never knew this billionaire Koch.
    Call Continued’
    Walker: [blah about his press conferences, attacking Obama, and all the great press he’s getting.] Brian [Sadoval], the new Governor of Nevada, called me the last night he said—he was out in the Lincoln Day Circuit in the last two weekends and he was kidding me, he said, “Scott, don’t come to Nevada because I’d be afraid you beat me running for governor.” That’s all they want to talk about is what are you doing to help the governor of Wisconsin. I talk to Kasich every day—John’s gotta stand firm in Ohio. I think we could do the same thing with Rick Scott in Florida. I think, uh, Snyder—if he got a little more support—probably could do that in Michigan. You start going down the list there’s a lot of us new governors that got elected to do something big.
    Koch: You’re the first domino.
    Walker: Yep. This is our moment.
    Pause for comment;
    * He is bragging of his popularity among republican governors and GOP circles for union busting to a man he doesn’t know?
    * Walker admits all the newly elected Governors are in some kind of conspiracy mode to bust unions, No where does
    the Governor utter one word of fiscal out comes or balancing state budgets, reducing the state debt. Does that even concern you?
    * Walker to Koch, “I think we could do the same thing with Rick Scott in Florida.”.
    When Walker tells Koch (he doesn’t know) “WE” , Who does he mean by “WE”?
    * Walker to Koch,
    ” I think, uh, Snyder—if he got a little more support—probably could do that in Michigan.”
    What does Walker mean when he tell the Fake David Koch , “got a little more support” ?
    * “New governors that got elected to do “BIG THINGS”. Busting unions? Selling off state resources to foreign corporations for short term profit? Passing laws to give the governor unchecked powers the voters cannot curtail let alone voters having their elected officials doing a billionaires bidding over the peoples concerns. That a Governor and its GOP majority will not pay attention to even its republican moderates?
    *So the billionaire Walker doesn’t know at al exchange, “your the first domino” and “this is our moment” means what to you?
    Is this how someone speaks with a billionaire they never met? First domino remark doesn’t inject private agenda to you in this regard?
    Call continued;
    Koch: Now what else could we do for you down there?
    Walker: Well the biggest thing would be—and your guy on the ground [Americans For Prosperity president Tim Phillips] is probably seeing this [stuff about all the people protesting, and some of them flip him off].
    Pause for comment
    * Understand, Walker is in his office and on official business, Accepting anything of this nature is illegal by state laws and probably Federal laws as well. Who does Walker represent when he takes this money (help) ?
    * Walker earlier in the call mentioned that “he knew” unions were paying the AWOL 14 and was checking to see if it was illegal(although he had not investigated to get evidence of his claim to begin with). yet here is Walker accepting illegal help. This would be an impeachable offense but the partisan senate will not address the law. Because the law is partisan for them. The law is to be imposed on you and me.
    Even if they refuse to remove the Governor from office for this, they should at the least appear they obey and respect the law in the state senate by impeaching to a slap on the reprimanded governor’s hand for it. But they will not even do that.. A citizen goes 3 miles over the speed limit and has to pay a ticket because it is against the law. What walker accepts here is in fact against the law.
    * pay attention now,
    Walker tell the fake Koch Brother (you demand walker does not know or have any ties to) tells him ,
    “and your guy on the ground [Americans For Prosperity president Tim Phillips] is probably seeing this [stuff about all the people protesting “.
    here is Walker knowingly admitting to the Koch brothers funded “Americans for Prosperity” and the Koch Brother’s “guy on the ground” (from Americans for prosperity which is funded by Koch Industries). Walker knows Tim Phillips and is aware that Tim Phillips is Koch brothers “guy on the ground ” and is aware of what Koch Bros man from their American for prosperity is seeing on the ground.
    * Walker admits he knows them, gets moneyed support from them, has people sending in anti-protestors and paid GOP celebrities
    to provide bought and paid for support for walker, the GOP, and billionaires agendas for the media to convince people of what?
    How innocent Walker is? That Walker is doing all of this hard work and leading on his own? What”
    Call continued;
    Walker: [Bullshit about doing the right thing and getting flipped off by “union bulls,” and the decreasing number of protesters. Or some such.]
    Koch: We’ll back you any way we can. What we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.
    Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this…[explains that planting troublemakers may not work.] My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems…[something about ’60s liberals.]…Let ‘em protest all they want…Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting.
    Koch: Well, not the liberal bastards on MSNBC.
    Walker: Oh yeah, but who watches that? I went on “Morning Joe” this morning. I like it because I just like being combative with those guys, but, uh. You know they’re off the deep end.
    Koch: Joe—Joe’s a good guy. He’s one of us.
    Walker: Yeah, he’s all right. He was fair to me…[bashes NY Senator Chuck Schumer, who was also on the program.]

  • Robt March 20, 2011 3:12 am

    part 1
    OK, I’ll take the hook, but so you know, your bait isn’t really worth biting on……………
    You asked,
    “Where do you have any proof of his connections with the Koch Bro’s? Anything? Just Daily Kos rants? Proof? Thought not.’
    And no, I am not going to discuss Democratic members that are corrupt in this because it doesn’t pertain to your question of Walker.
    Be advised, I know perfectly well the Democratic Party has its rotten deviants.
    Since you have been a very adamant Gov. Walker supporter and defender no matter what means to meet his ends. You make him sound as if he is a GOODIE-TWO SHOES innocent doing the Lord’s work. You either do not care to admit his financed backers and their influence on his actions on their behalf over the voters, believe its a republican that can do only good,, or you do know and opt not to admit it for political party loyalty sake. Follow his economic plan it is the basic Horse and Sparrow economics if only that poor of an economic plan. His economics of crony capitalism ,free market (that is not free) has not worked anywhere in the world. Transfer the wealth and resources to the wealthy and let them profit any way they want. Feed the horse well and fatten him up, then what comes out of the other end of the fat horse, the sparrows can live on. And you my friend, are not the Horse..!
    I do not recognize how Walker can balance a state budget by reducing revenues, giving corporate tax breaks while the state is “Broke by Walker’s words. Taking from the Teachers and giving to the corporations is just as much of socialism in regards to redistributing wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. . As his $160 million tax break to wealthy donors of his campaign became a return on their campaign donations investment to Walker. They got their return investment by Walker’s repair bill which (after blowing that $160 million hole) had to cut teachers and remove their bargaining rights to cover the $160 million debt he caused by handing out the tax breaks and he actually tries to tell his people of the state that everyone is carrying the economic burden. Simply not true. If his plan continues you will significantly see foreclosures rise, small businesses close and even less revenues come into the state, there will be less jobs and less economic activity with less state revenues and the state goes bankrupt all the same. They will have tofire the contract teachers.
    Let us walk through this.
    Koch industries pays millions in Wis for attack ads against Walkers opponent.
    Koch Bros donate personally straight to Walker’s campaign the 2nd highest lump sum of $43 K
    Koch Bros gave millions to the republican governors association which most was used for Walker.
    Koch Brothers fund the Club for growth that donated to walker and campaigned for him.
    Koch Brothers fund the Tea Party who donated to Walker and campaigned for him.
    Koch Industries opened up a real nice lobbying office in Wis.
    Koch Industries owns and operates several companies in Wis and has for some time.
    Koch Industries was one of those corporations that received a tax break in Gov Walker’s 1st month in office which blew a $160 mullion hole in his budget that the Governor used as an emergency to pass a piece of legislation called the “budget repair bill. which would fill the hole Walker made of the odd amount of $160 million from state workers.
    David Koch wrote a check directly to Walker’s campaign of $43K and Walker doesn’t know him at all? Just cashed the check and never told Koch, “thanks for the $43K “?
    The Heritage Foundation is funded by the Koch Bros.. Walkers in his first month appointed a “out of state Heritage Foundation employee” to his Governors cabinet. He couldn’t find a republican in his own state to fill that state job? Perhaps it is the Koch Bros. ears, eyes and influence on the Governor ( that specialists touch only Heritage could provide)? Well that is just another state employee job Walker lost by giving it to someone out of state and having tax payers pay this Heritage Foundation Koch Bros. “mole ” that is now off the Koch Bros payroll and on the tax payer dole to do Koch Inds. biding. Crony capitalism I think it is called.
    And you still want to try and convince me Walker did not know the Koch Bros nor had ties to them?
    Then there is this phone call. Lets go through it together.
    Why does the Governor in emergency mode who takes NO communications from the people of his state accept a call from someone calling himself David Koch and spends 20 minutes explaining his plans in detail and his “to be victory over unions and self aggrandizing of his likeness to President Ronald Reagan?
    Let us take a walk through the transcript of the punk Koch brother phone call to Walker who stayed on the phone for at least 20 minutes and spilled all his plans and guts to this guy (Walker thought was) David Koch.
    He’s just hard-lined—will not talk, will not communicate, will not return phone calls.”
    -Wisconsin state Sen. Tim Carpenter (D) on Gov. Walker (source)
    How a Billionaire gets through to Governor Walker when no one else can;
    Well, what do we know about Walker and his proposed union-busting, no-bid budget “repair” bill? The obvious candidate was David Koch.
    I first called at 11:30 am CST, and eventually got through to a young, male receptionist who, upon hearing the magic name Koch, immediately transferred me to Executive Assistant Governor Dorothy Moore.
    “We’ve met before, Dorothy,” I nudged. “I really need to talk to Scott—Governor Walker.” She said that, yes, she thought she had met Koch, and that the name was “familiar.” But she insisted that Walker was detained in a meeting and couldn’t get away. She asked about the nature of my call. I balked, “I just needed to speak with the Governor. He knows what this is about,” I said. She told me to call back at noon, and she’d have a better idea of when he would be free.
    I called at noon and was quickly transferred to Moore, who then transferred me to Walker’s Chief of Staff Keith Gilkes. He was “expecting my call.”
    “David!” he said with an audible smile.
    I politely said hello, not knowing how friendly Gilkes and Koch may be. He was eager to help. “I was really hoping to talk directly to Scott,” I said. He said that could be arranged and that I should just leave my number. I explained to Gilkes, “My goddamn maid, Maria, put my phone in the washer. I’d have her deported, but she works for next to nothing.” Gilkes found this amusing. “I’m calling from the VOID—with the VOID, or whatever it’s called. You know, the Snype!”
    “Gotcha,” Gilkes said. “Let me check the schedule here…OK, there’s an opening at 2 o’clock Central Standard Time. Just call this same number and we’ll put you through.”
    Could it really be that easy? Yes. What follows is a rushed, abridged transcript of my—I mean, David Koch’s conversation with Gov. Walker. Listen to the whole call here:
    Let us take a walk through the transcript of the punk Koch brother phone call to Walker who stayed on the phone for at least 20 minutes and spilled all his plans and guts to this guy Walker thought was David Koch.
    The Transcript;;;;;;( a slightly shortened transcript -where noted- for time)
    Walker: Hi; this is Scott Walker.
    Koch: Scott! David Koch. How are you?
    Walker: Hey, David! I’m good. And yourself?
    Pause for comment;
    Cordial and harmless greetings so far.
    Call continued;
    Koch: I’m very well. I’m a little disheartened by the situation there, but, uh, what’s the latest?
    Walker: Well, we’re actually hanging pretty tough. I mean—you know, amazingly there’s a much smaller group of protesters—almost all of whom are in from other states today. The State Assembly is taking the bill up—getting it all the way to the last point it can be at where it’s unamendable. But they’re waiting to pass it until the Senate’s—the Senate Democrats, excuse me, the assembly Democrats have about a hundred amendments they’re going through. The state Senate still has the 14 members missing but what they’re doing today is bringing up all sorts of other non-fiscal items, many of which are things members in the Democratic side care about. And each day we’re going to ratchet it up a little bit…. The Senate majority leader had a great plan he told about this morning—he told the Senate Democrats about and he’s going to announce it later today, and that is: The Senate organization committee is going to meet and pass a rule that says if you don’t show up for two consecutive days on a session day—in the state Senate, the Senate chief clerk—it’s a little procedural thing here, but—can actually have your payroll stopped from being automatically deducted—
    Koch: Beautiful.
    Walker: —into your checking account and instead—you still get a check, but the check has to be personally picked up and he’s instructing them—which we just loved—to lock them in their desk on the floor of the state Senate.
    Pause for comment;
    * From released emails of Gov Walker, It was the top GOP “talking points” maker (Framk Luntz) that directed Walker to say, “almost all of whom are in from other states”, unquote from the Luntz email. Luntz at the time was out of state and hadn’t been there yet to know who was proteting and from where.
    * Walker goes on into many personal accounts and actions his State republicans are intricately engaging. How is that David Koch’s business when you say Walker doesn’t even know this man Koch? The Governor automatically updates a unacquainted billionaire with official state internal republican wrangling? Why did Walker feel the need to explain all this to someone you claim he doesn’t know and has NO ties to?
    * How petty and childish the Governor sounds over the withholding the checks. As if that would force the AWOOL dems back.
    But Walker is actually bragging to (the so called Koch Brother) of this petty action.
    Call continued;
    Koch: Now you’re not talking to any of these Democrat bastards, are you?
    Walker: Ah, I—there’s one guy that’s actually voted with me on a bunch of things I called on Saturday for about 45 minutes, mainly to tell him that while I appreciate his friendship and he’s worked with us on other things, to tell him I wasn’t going to budge.
    Koch: Goddamn right!
    pause for comment;
    * Governor Walker clearly accepts this guy you say he doesn’t know or has ties to call the duly elected Democratic members of his state Assembly and state Senate, “Democratic Bastards”.
    * There is one guy that Walker thinks voted with “HIM on issues and that the “One guy” (democrat) didn’t vote on the issue or issues and it happened to be the same way Walker voted or wanted?
    * Walker called him and told him that their long time friendship is worth nothing now that he is Governor and that he is not going to Negotiate, talk with, reason, hear any opposing concerns by his, “I won’t budge” . And not budging means not giving anyone the respect or time of day because only He knows all.? That the Governor is now the state King. Just like Bush and his admitted “Unitary President” who would sign a law passed by congress would write a signing statement ordered by the President of the U.S.A. that as President it is law but as President he would not be subject to that law. Instead of vetoing the law.
    Call Continued;
    Walker: …his name is Tim Cullen—
    Koch: All right, I’ll have to give that man a call.
    Walker: Well, actually, in his case I wouldn’t call him and I’ll tell you why: he’s pretty reasonable but he’s not one of us…
    Pause for comment;
    Walker tells this billionaire he doesn’t even know , not to call this pretty” reasonable person?
    * What do you think Walker thought when the phony Koch offered to call the, “reasonable”guy?
    What was the billionaire offering to do? Why is he involved in the state Gov’t like that?
    * What does Walker mean by telling a Billionaire he never met, “Not to call this reasonable guy”?
    *Most of all, what did Walker mean when he told the Phony Koch billionaire (Walker never met)
    By telling him, , ” but he’s not one of us”?
    * How does Walker know that the Billionaire and himself are the same and that this reasonable guy
    is not the same as them?