I discuss President Donald Trump saying that the United States’ staggering death toll from coronavirus “is what it is” in a new interview with Jonathan Swan of Axios on HBO. Over 158,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, according to Johns Hopkins University of Medicine.

I also discuss other subjects raised in the interview, including Trump not punishing Russia for paying the Taliban to put bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers, as well as Trump saying he did more for civil rights than any other President besides Lincoln.

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